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[tim]

MM has never been good. He was able to ride on his own hype temporarily when people mistook his shtick as being zeitgeisty, and some of you here are tempted to pass off your nostalgia for an era that gave him that much as meaning he was once half-decent, but that's as much as I'm willing to give him.

And even that's too much.

[rynne]

Manson was never original, I'll give you that.  Manson backed by Berkowitz' and Gein's music was legitimately good.

[sin]

Yeah man.  I think his first 3 albums were terrific.  It has nothing to do with my perceptions of his cultural impact.  It has to do with me liking certain types of music, and Marilyn Manson's music fulfilling the criteria of those types.

I can certainly understand why others might not; even among my friends I like Marilyn Manson more than anyone else.  But I just can't abide the idea that he never did anything worthwhile.

[Naylzie]

Yeah man.  I think his first 3 albums were terrific.  It has nothing to do with my perceptions of his cultural impact.  It has to do with me liking certain types of music, and Marilyn Manson's music fulfilling the criteria of those types.

I can certainly understand why others might not; even among my friends I like Marilyn Manson more than anyone else.  But I just can't abide the idea that he never did anything worthwhile.

Well said.  I agree entirely.  In my own case, I do have to grant a certain degree of nostalgia for a time when I was of a mind that it meant something, but now I just listen to his old stuff because I like how it sounds.

Right now though, I cannot get enough of Cu Dubh.  I picked up their debut album, Order of the Owl, at King Richard's Faire this past weekend and have NOT stopped listening to it.  They're a (mostly) three man pipe and drum outfit and they are INCREDIBLE.  LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!  Website here.  I just wish they had out more than one album!!!

[doom]

converge - no heroes
cursive - mama, im swollen
porcupine tree - deadwing
radiohead - ok computer
type o negative - life is killings me

[r00]

Call me a hater, but I share a similar view on MM to tim.  Even in his prime, he was contrived.  Reznor did a fantastic production job on ACS that I can respect, and it makes the album enjoyable, but everything else to me reminds me of a world in which Dane Cook is actually funny and Kiss are true musicians.

[doom]

the one thing about marilyn manson that i do appreciate, it that at least for a certain realm of people, it made rock n roll taboo again. it made parents hate him, and their children love him. he shook shit up. where as dane cook was trying to be funny and didn't, and kiss sold out continuously, marilyn manson seemed to accomplish what he set out to do, at least to some extent.

[Goose]

Its like someone took everything awesome about classic Deep Purple and wrapped it in bacon.

http://youtu.be/RdWGIJX2_14

[chimera]

rynne: here's a Laswell project you might want to track down (I'm biased as it features my favorite fusion drummer):
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Wave-Arcana/dp/B000001C3W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1257882475&sr=1-1&tag=vglnk-c1173-20

[doom]

Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
Boards of Canada - Twoism
Boards of Canada - Aquarius
Blue Sky Black Death - NOIR
Ringworm - Scars

[videodrone]

The Tear Garden - Crystal Mass
GusGus - 24/7
Trentemoller - The Last Resort

drone

[rynne]

rynne: here's a Laswell project you might want to track down (I'm biased as it features my favorite fusion drummer):

Cool. I always appreciate more reference points for navigating Laswell's ridiculously extensive discography.

Right now I am currently liking the new Battles album. It boasts the most percussion-centric production I've heard from any honest-to-goodness live band whose name doesn't start with "T" and end with "ool." Stanier sounds like an absolute beast on this. It's a worthy follow-up to Mirrored that doesn't really suffer much for the loss of Tyondai Braxton.

I'm also digging Black Up from Shabazz Palaces, which contrasts of-the-moment dub-by-way-of-dubstep production weirdness with Ishmael Butler's ultra-smooth throwback lyrical flow.  Fuckin' sweet.

[TPD]

made the mistake of getting the ministry track pack 02 for rock band.
i figured, "hey, i don't like ministry now, but the chance to drum along to Rieflinesque greatness on Stigmata, Thieves, and Jesus Built My Hotrod... why the fuck not!"

Except i didn't bother to preview the tracks and assumed the corresponding album artwork was indicative of getting the original classics... and no.

These are those horrible re-hashed "covers" that al did himself in an effort to not pay paul barker or anyone else more than the basic writing credit. yes, folks, he wiped out the paul barker's bass tracks, and probably the drums tracks too, and completely remade those songs... and they're not good. not at all.
the vox is just horrible. and phoned in. the whole thing sounds like a cover band... but it's not... but it so is.

i'm begining to think he made them purposefully shitty so his newer stuff sounds better by comparison.
such revisionist history. a lot of people don't even know they're not the lp (or even single) versions.
there's no indication of this other than my own ears.
it's sad.
i ended up giving al money to rape my ears.
i should have expected it... but i kinda didn't.
i felt like i should have moved the drum kit to shower so i could play in a foetal position crying.



al jourgensen is the george lucas of industrial music... great a long time ago... but now just into making money and shitting on his legacy.


i need a hug.

[sin]

I was saying about a month ago to my friends: "It's clear now that Paul was the brains behind Ministry, and Al was the face... and now's Ministry is a face without a brain.  It's Lindsey Fucking Lohan."

[tim]

I need to learn a new language so I have enough superlatives to describe the new Tori Amos album. Trent would never have had all that problem with Pretty Hate Machine if he'd put it out on DG.