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Guitar.
« on: June 14, 2011, 02:36:14 AM »
I want to lean how to play the Guitar. I know that starting with an acoustic is the way to go (you guys said so a long time ago. ) And I want to get a good starting guitar. I need something kinda cheap around 200USD (unless that isn't enough) or around there. I don't want a POS, or something that people in real bands play. Just a good basic guitar to get the basics/learn how to play. And if there is any help videos/books kinda stuff you have used before, recommend them as well please. 

And any other starting stuff I may need.


Any help would be sweet. And sites to order stuff from would also be great.
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2011, 03:49:48 AM »
I don't really agree or endorse the idea of buying an acoustic first.  I do understand the argument about paying out a lot of money for very expensive equipment for an electric set up, only to quit after a very short while.  However, a good acoustic can cost way in excess of a decent electric - I'm not necessarily talking in terms of sound or wood here either, every cheap  acoustic I've ever seen has string action at painfully high levels and makes the entire playing experience a chore and can make playing very uncomfortable over even short periods of time and will leave you with more muscle ache than if you played a reasonable guitar (You will get some aches in your hands and fingers to begin with simply because your muscles in your hands/fingers have never had to make those shapes before and you are in effect, exercising them).  This can really discourage your playing and make you put the instrument down faster.

You can buy some cheap priced starter packs, they're not amazing guitars or amps, but they will be more comfortable.  In fact, whilst not exactly having the reputation of someone like Fender or Gibson (personally I hate both), Yamaha do a Pacifica bundle for next to nothing and they actually feel better than most medium grade Fenders to play and most definitely more comfortable on the neck and fretboard than a cheap acoustic.

My best advice is to ask yourself some questions, like "what kind of music do I want to play?", "What kind of sound do I want?" - I don't mean that you're thinking about starting 'Vegetarian Progresssive Grindcore', but do you want effects or just acoustic?  If the former, then I'd suggest an electric because you can always and easily place any effects on the signal and get a playable sound with zero effort as opposed to an acoustic. 

Look at what you want to do with it now and where you'll be say 6 months down the line - you may be content now to sit strumming an acoustic in your bedroom while you get the hang of it, but then you might want to be playing something radically different but are now limited due to your equipment and having to look at the prospect of shelling out for a new set up.  If you buy an electric you can get pretty much the best of both worlds; it takes nominal effort to make an electric sound similar to an acoustic.

Go out and try some out, forget names - don't buy a Jackson just because you think you heard they were good, try them out, see how they feel holding it, feel the neck out and check the string action - too high will kill your hands.  Comfort here is key, it will keep you playing.  Check each note - this may sound stupid, but I've picked up many a guitar where the notes just immediately drop out and choke on the higher range, you do not want that!  Take your time in the store and don't be embaressed, remember it's your money so you dictate what happens and there's no pressure, the last thing you want is to be rushed in your decision and end up buying a turkey.

In terms of help, yes, the internet (obviously) has a lot of free sites and also sign-up sites that do video lessons and the like, as well as billions of tab etc.  In terms of videos, I can't recommend the John Petrucci DVD highly enough.
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2011, 01:20:20 PM »
I used to play ages ago and I just had one of the cheap fender strats with a little amp with built in distortion
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 01:41:00 AM »
Cool thanks.

I think I'm gona get a electric. The Pacifica is cheaper then I thought it would be. I think I may just go with that. Thanks.
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2011, 09:08:01 AM »
Remember the golden rule of beginner electric guitar: anything sounds awesome when run through enough effect pedals.  ;)


In fact, you shouldn't even consider *touching* an actual instrument until you're in possession of at least four or five pedals. That way, you can play your first note with the assurance that you'll sound like a RAWK GOD right from the start.

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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2011, 09:56:36 AM »
This is true
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2011, 10:16:21 AM »
Is that why Omar has so many pedals? Cuz he has a ton of pedals. He can't play for shit, but it sounds amazing? Damn maybe I should get like 30 then. I'll be in the rock n' roll hall of fame in no time. OH YA.
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2011, 10:41:57 AM »
No, that's The Edge's excuse, not Omar's.  :P

As for learning, it doesn't really matter in the long run what you learn on, but I'd highly recommend getting a decent teacher for at least the first 3 months, if not 6.  That way, you have someone pointing out and correcting bad habits you're forming with your hands, and if you practice right while away from your lessons, you're not going to have to fight your shitty hand position while trying to learn how to play the instrument. 

People who learn to play on their own often form bad habits (bad pinky positioning, wrist buggered in the wrong way, bad picking techniques, and so on), and then hit a point fairly quick where they want to get better but can't, and can't figure out why.  Its because they're fighting with their own body as much as fighting with the instrument.  When you make your arms work with the instrument instead of against it, magic happens.  Books can show you pictures until the cows come home, but that doesn't mean your body's going to do what the book tells them to.  A guy actually standing over you smacking you around for an hour a week has a better chance at getting you out of bad habits fast.  That's why getting the teacher before you get too far on your own is crucial.
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2011, 11:48:41 AM »
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2011, 11:58:24 AM »
Oh how I love that movie. :D

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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2011, 12:01:34 PM »
Holy shit you weren't joking...


Note to self. Get lots of peddles. And hope there isn't ever a power outage... (Then again I could just do it Kyuss style. And get a generator...)
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2011, 12:21:02 PM »
In all honesty, The Edge is probably the most solid rhythym guitarist in rock history, and his use of effects has been groundbreaking over the years.  But yeah, the guy can't shred for shit.  But he doesn't need to, as his artistry lies elsewhere.
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2011, 02:04:57 PM »
well put, goose.  I think you nailed it.

 I have so much love for that man.  He has always been the best thing about that band both musically and personality-wise.  I also wish he would sing more as he has great (and unique) voice.
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2011, 02:19:35 PM »
Meh, I've found his singing to be a little thin and weak, especially when you put Bono on stage next to him.  His voice is great for backing vocals, but I wouldn't put him up front much, if at all.

That being said, I love me some "Van Dieman's Land". :P
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Re: Guitar.
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2011, 02:48:26 PM »
That's why I like his voice.  That thin and tinny thing is such a nice departure from the bonosaurus.
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